Warrior Women & Lady Scientists: The Women of Thor: The Dark World

November 14, 2013 Commentary, Geek Girl Life, Movies, Watching 15

Though there are plenty of problems, I generally like what Marvel and the Marvel Cinematic Universe are doing with female characters.  Admittedly I am the worst comic book reader ever (I read Hawkeye and I’m terrible about keeping track of when a single title comes out), but the comics are doing great things with Kelly Sue DeConnick’s run on Captain Marvel, and I’m very excited about Kamala Khan, the Muslim teenager from Jersey City who’s headlining the new Ms Marvel title.

The Marvel movies have also been doing pretty good things with the female characters in that universe (lack of a woman-fronted superhero movie notwithstanding; I’m looking at you and your side-stepping that question, Kevin Feige), and I was for the most part pleased with where they went with the women in Thor: The Dark World.

Female characters in Thor 2

This post will have SPOILERS, so if you haven’t seen Thor: The Dark World, read no further! (Unless you don’t mind being spoiled; in that case, read on!)

The first Thor movie was… not great.  It was entertaining enough, but the story was a little weak for my taste, and I have to confess, I felt like Natalie Portman was just phoning it in half the time in her performance as Dr. Jane Foster.  I wanted to love Jane, but her sometimes-flat performance and the shoehorned-in romance with Thor put me off.  I did love Darcy and Sif and Frigga, and it was great to have four significant women in a superhero movie, and despite its flaws, I do like Thor a lot.

Thor: The Dark World is a much smoother film than the first, with a straightforward action plot that requires our heroes to save the universe from the dark elf Malekith, who wants to ruin everything for everyone everywhere. (As a side note, did anyone else notice the star on Malekith’s armor when he’s getting all charged up with aether? It looked like the Kree star on Captain Marvel’s uniform to me.)  I liked the movie a lot, overall, but I particularly like the expanded roles for pretty much all of the women (not including Sif, and I am very sad about that).

The Bechdel test is an important aspect of looking at how women are portrayed in film.  From Wikipedia:

In a 1985 strip titled “The Rule”, an unnamed female character says that she only watches a movie if it satisfies the following requirements:

  1. It has to have at least two women in it,

  2. who talk to each other,

  3. about something besides a man.

There’s been a lot of attention brought to the Bechdel test lately, with Swedish cinemas even incorporating it into their movie rating system, and holy crap, is this great.  We most definitely need more movies that feature female characters who aren’t just there to talk about the male heroes.  But a movie that fails the Bechdel test can still feature wonderful, complex female characters; The Avengers is a good example of this.  There are two major female characters (Black Widow and Maria Hill) in that and two supporting characters (Pepper Potts and Beth the waitress), and unfortunately none of them talk to each other about… well, anything.  But the three major characters (sorry, Beth) are still well-developed and complicated women who emphatically do not exist to further the character development of their male counterparts.

Natalie Portman as Jane Foster

Natalie Portman as Jane Foster

Thor: The Dark World, on the other hand, passes the Bechdel test with flying colors.  Sure, there’s some lighthearted ribbing between Darcy and Jane about both Jane’s efforts to date other guys and about Thor, but between discovering the strange phenomena that precede the alignment of the different realms and figuring out how to stop Malekith with science, Jane and Darcy function as much more than Thor’s girlfriend and the girl who says “guuuuurl you gotta get you some of that” about Thor.

Let’s talk about the ladies themselves.  As I previously mentioned, Jane kind of fell flat for me in the first film, but I really, really liked her in the second one.  Portman’s performance was much more enthusiastic, I guess would be the best way to put it, and it’s obvious that she is invested in playing a woman working in a STEM field.  She even worked with Marvel to promote a contest for girls looking to enter STEM professions, and it’s awesome that she’s both enjoying playing a scientist and wants to encourage more young women to consider the fields.

Jane is Thor’s love interest, but both in the first film and in this one, she does so much more than sit around and simper.  When we meet her in The Dark World, she has been depressed about Thor not showing up for, oh, two years or so.  Is that something to be criticized?  I personally don’t think so.  You’d be hard-pressed to find a woman who hasn’t moped because she got dumped, and let’s be real.  If your potential boyfriend is a superhero and he up and disappears on you, only to show up to save the world and then disappear again, wouldn’t you be pretty depressed about that?

I love that she is flustered by Thor.  I mean, what woman who’s even vaguely attracted to men wouldn’t get a little giddy at the idea that this guy (and his arms) is in love with her?

Chris Hemsworth as shirtless Thor

I’ll be in my bunk.

I’ve seen some people claim that this is a fault in Jane, but I really like it.  It makes her a realistic character for me, not just Lady Scientist who does nothing but SCIENCE!

But speaking of SCIENCE!, I love that Jane’s one true love is astrophysics.  When Darcy interrrupts Jane’s date with a new guy, she can’t help but dash out on the poor dude because SCIENCE!  When they go investigate the weird goings-on with physics in London, Jane’s excited because SCIENCE!  Even when Thor whisks her off to Asgard to deal with her aether infection, she’s completely flabbergasted by the awesomeness of all the SCIENCE! around her.

And in the end, it’s really Jane’s scientific knowledge combined with Erik Selvig’s and with Darcy and Ian the Intern’s determination that stop Malekith.  Thor’s muscle is just the thing that distracts Malekith enough to let Jane’s plan work.

Hell yeah, Jane.  I love you, girl.

Let’s talk for a moment, though, about the aether.  Jane is the person who sets it free, albeit accidentally, but I like how that was dealt with.  She’s curious, and there’s not a damn thing wrong with that.  She’s suddenly whisked away to another world, and like any good scientist, she’s going to at least look at that weird, glowy thing that’s pretty much the only thing around.  It’s not Jane’s fault that the aether was released, and I like that she worries about that.  Like Thor tells her; by being curious and finding the aether, she actually kept it out of Malekith’s hands for longer than if she hadn’t found it.  I like that she’s conflicted about that.  Part of me wishes that she had been able to be more proactive in getting rid of the aether herself, but when it comes down to it, she’s the fish out of water in this movie.  She has absolutely no idea how to get it out of herself, nor does she have the knowledge or experience required to move between the worlds.

And finally, Jane does this:

Jane punches Loki

That’s my girl.

I love Loki, but HELL YEAH, PUNCH THAT JERK, JANE!

Kat Dennings as Darcy Lewis

Kat Dennings as Darcy Lewis (with Darcy’s intern, Ian, played by Jonathan Howard)

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So next we have Darcy Lewis, played by Kat Dennings.  In the first film, Darcy served mostly as comic relief, tossing in sarcastic comments (that were often surprisingly insightful), taking camera phone shots of Thor eating pancakes, and generally being cute and quirky.  And she was so freaking awesome at it that fandom fell in love with her, and luckily Marvel realized that they should give her a bigger role in The Dark World.  All hail Darcy!

Darcy may not be an astrophysicist like Jane, but she is obviously an intelligent person who brings some common sense insights into Jane’s very science-centered viewpoint on events.  The thing I think I like most about Darcy, though, is that even though she’s technically Jane’s intern, she’s also Jane’s friend.  It’s obvious that Darcy is invested in her friendship with Jane as well as the work that they’re doing, because why else would a smart young woman like Darcy stick with an internship that’s not in her field when she could go and try to find a better-paying gig elsewhere?

Female friendship is something that I love seeing in fiction and that, frankly, I don’t see enough of.  Considering that the vast majority of movies on the American market don’t pass the Bechdel test, it’s pretty obvious that there’s a huge lack of female friendship in Hollywood that doesn’t center around one of the women getting a man.  Jane does, of course, get the man in the Thor movies, but her friendship with Darcy is more centered on their work and general emotional support.  Darcy’s ribbing about Jane taking a shower (“You smell good”) while bringing her news of science afoot helps kick Jane out of her depressive funk and back into her usual science mode.  When Jane goes missing, Darcy is extremely worried and even calls S.H.I.E.L.D. for help, which is pretty amazing considering they confiscated her beloved iPod in the first movie.

And, of course, Darcy is still the comic relief.  The aforementioned teasing along with Darcy’s budding “relationship” with her intern, Ian, brings laughs to an already funny movie, but let’s look at that for a second.  Darcy is a funny woman.  And she’s not funny in the usual way that Hollywood likes to make women funny (“Oh noooo I got dumped again, I’m going to eat ice cream and make jokes about my ass getting fat!”).  She’s sarcastic, witty, and has wonderful deadpan delivery that works really well for Darcy’s outward personality, the disaffected hipster kid.  But within that exterior, Darcy is an intelligent, determined woman who does what she needs to do to help Jane save the day.

And she’s the one doing the dipping when she smooches her intern.  Aw yeah.  Get it, Darcy.

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Rene Russo as Frigga

Rene Russo as Frigga

Even though we unfortunately didn’t get to see a whole lot of her in either of the Thor movies, I’ve always liked Frigga.  Odin is the distant, authoritative parent, even with Thor.  Frigga, on the other hand, is still powerful when it comes to her sons, but she’s the more approachable parent, the parent who is comfortable showing affection even after Loki royally screws things up.

So I just have to say that I’m pretty damn disappointed at what happens to her in The Dark World.  I actually read a spoiler for this months before the movie came out and was really dreading it, since let’s be honest: killing the hero and his dastardly brother’s mom seems like it would be a classic case of fridging.

I was… well, I don’t want to say pleasantly surprised because it certainly wasn’t pleasant, but I was at least happier with how they handled Frigga’s death than I expected to be.

Instead of being murdered in some sort of helpless situation, Frigga kicks some ass on her way down.  She’s tasked with guarding Jane when the dark elves invade Asgard, and Frigga proves herself to be both clever as hell and a sharp fighter.  She hides Jane elsewhere and uses her magic to project a copy of Jane into the room with her, and when Malekith demands Frigga hand Jane over, Frigga actually gets the closest to outright killing Malekith than anyone else in the film.

Let’s take a moment and let that sink in.  Thor, for all his physical might and magical hammer, has to face Malekith when he’s charged up with the aether.  Frigga, on the other hand, literally has her sword at his throat.  The only reason she isn’t able to kill Malekith and put a major cramp in the Dark Elf plan to ruin the universe is that Kurse shows up.

Frigga’s death is definitely meant to provide a catalyst for Thor and Loki to work together, but that’s not its only impact.  It shows that she is both a warrior as much as her husband and sons (in fact, her fighting style looks very much like Loki’s, and now I really want to see Mama Frigga teaching her little adopted son to fight) and that she is willing to sacrifice herself for the greater good, to protect someone who can’t protect herself.  I’m still not happy that she died to create man-sadness, but at least it wasn’t something like what happens to practically every woman Wolverine loves in the comics, or what happens to the ladies in Nolan’s Batman movies.

Frigga is a hero.  I hate that she dies and actually got very choked up during her gorgeous funeral scene, but she dies a hero, and that is much better than I’ve been trained to expect from a superhero film.

So when are we starting the #FRIGGA LIVES campaign?

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Jaimie Alexander as Sif

Jaimie Alexander as Sif

And finally, let’s talk about Sif.

I love Sif, guys.  And there was just not enough Sif in The Dark World.  I get that at some point, you have to start trimming characters back.  The Thor movies have a lot of characters, both from Earth and from Asgard, and while I was disappointed that Hogun got dropped off on his home world, I can understand that in order to streamline the story, you have to minimize some roles. (That doesn’t mean I didn’t want more Hogun, dammit.)

But Sif.  She’s an awesome warrior, someone that Thor obviously respects and likes, and… there just wasn’t enough of her.  She fights baddies on Vanaheim, trades snarky remarks with Thor while she’s at it, tries to talk Thor out of his funk over missing Jane, and then helps Thor escape with Loki and Jane at the risk of being punished for treason.

*sad trombone*

I liked seeing Sif in battle again and I really love her interactions with Thor.  These are two people who have obviously known each other for a very long time and who obviously have a lot of fondness and respect for one another. (I am putting away the part of me that ships Sif and Thor really hard because now is not the time, Pamela, keep it cool.)  I wanted to see Sif play a bigger part in Thor’s life and in saving the universe.

Despite the lack of Sif in the film, there’s one thing I’m glad didn’t happen with her, and that’s the love triangle that the trailers and tv spots seemed to be playing up.  They focused heavily on Sif looking at Jane as she walks by, and it really felt like they were trying to set up a love triangle between Sif, Jane, and Thor.

Cue much groaning and gnashing of teeth on my part.  I hate love triangles, and I was very worried that they would reduce Sif to a jealous harpy pitted against Jane.

Thankfully that’s not the case at all.  There’s only a hint of Sif’s feelings for Thor, and those are mostly put aside for the action storyline of the film.  I’d definitely like to see more of Thor and Sif’s relationship, but I emphatically do not want her to be reduced to the Other Woman in a love triangle.

But you know what I would like to see?  Sif and the Warriors Three, an action/comedy television series featuring on what Sif and her boys get up to while Thor’s hanging out on Earth, doing Avengers things.  It would be epic, Marvel.  Epic.  Call me, we can talk deals, okay?

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While Marvel Studios has a lot of work to do to make fangirls like me happy (I want Black Widow and Captain Marvel movies, dammit, and Natasha and Pepper having drinks and talking about saving the world all the damn time), they still have the best female characters in superhero movies.  The women of the Thor movies are just part of the cast of fabulous women in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and while there have been some hiccups (sorry, Jon Favreau, but you had no idea what to do with Black Widow in Iron Man 2, did you?), these ladies are still the best.

And since women like the fangirls here at TDF are more and more vocal about watching and loving the Marvel movies, Marvel will hopefully give us even more of the women that we love.  And by that I mean a Black Widow solo movie, not just “watch Captain America: The Winter Soldier,” Mr. Feige.  Hell, even Chris Hemsworth wants it.  So stay vocal and keep shouting for awesome women in your Marvel superhero movies, my fellow fangirls.

Nick Fury with walkie talking saying Fangirls to your battle stations
  • Chelle

    Great post! Pretty sure I could watch Frigga kicking ass indefinitely and not get tired of it. And I, too, want Sif and the Warriors Three. That needs to be a thing sooner than as soon as possible. Hope it’s okay to throw in my two cents, and say that, personally, as Marvel is already invested in Thor and the world he inhabits, give me/us Valkyrie. I need Valkyrie to be introduced. And to get a film of her own. Or they could turn their eye to Fearless Defenders (still not over the most recent incarnation of that series being cancelled, which unfortunately speaks to the fact that those amazing women will never get the MCU treatment). Or an entire all-female superhero team, no matter who’s part of the crew. The likelihood of any of that happening – since they can’t seem to process the fact that those of us wanting Black Widow and Captain Marvel movies are legion – is slimmer than slim, but still, I can dream.

    • Confession: I actually haven’t read any of the Thor comics, so my knowledge of Valkyrie only comes from Tumblr. For shame! Do you have any recs of where to start reading about Valkyrie in the comics?

      I’d really like Marvel to do an all-female Avengers title like they’ve done with X-Men (preferably written by Kelly Sue, cough cough), because I would overcome my terrible comics-reading laziness and read the hell out of that.

      I keep hoping that Phase 3 will have Black Widow and Captain Marvel solo movies in it. I don’t know if that’s foolishly hopeful or not, but gaaahhhhh come on, Feige. Give us what we want!

      • FangirlingDaily

        Valkyrie has a couple of her own titles and often teams up with She-Hulk, who is my first favorite female hero of the Marvel Universe. I definitely recommend Fearless Defenders. She-Hulk is also coming out with a new title soon so check that out!

        • Thanks for those recs! I swear, one of these days I’m going to catch up on all the comics I’ve been meaning to read.

  • kishi

    I was disappointed with Frigga’s death, obviously, but her fight scene was pretty fantastic.

    One of my other complaints about the movie was that I wanted to see more of Sif- if we got to see Volstagg holding off guards to let Thor, Jane, and Loki escape, it would have been nice to see Sif doing the same.

    • Yeah, I complained to my husband that we got to see Volstagg fighting but Sif just sort of disappeared. I’m glad we got the fighting at the beginning, but come on, give us more Sif!

  • FangirlingDaily

    I really love Darcy and literally all my friends hate her. They find her annoying but to me, she’s one of the most genuine characters in the MCU and like you said, has an awesome friendship with Jane. Darcy also is the one on the phone constantly trying to do investigating and tracking people down when things go crazy.

    I personally would tune in to Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. if she guest starred on it. She and Coulson could solve crimes, kick ass, and take names all to the backdrop of her beloved iPod.

    • I cannot wrap my brain around how anyone could hate Darcy. She’s… basically a normal person with normal skills thrown into a weird world. I guess it’s the fans I hang out with, but Darcy’s basically everyone’s favorite, haha. I’m a hardcore, ’til I die Clintasha shipper, but if you toss Darcy in there, I can ship my babies with her.

      Man, I definitely wish she were in AoS. I’m trying really, really hard to like the show (caveat: I haven’t watched the last three episodes yet), but it’s just been… blah.

    • Amanda

      While I do absolutely adore Darcy, I suppose they see her as the dreaded Mary Sue character, but frankly, they’re categorizing her totally wrong. Darcy and the fandom-beloved Phil Coulson are the audience’s character within the MCU. While Coulson is part of SHIELD, he and Darcy are still on the outside looking in at this crazy universe where gods fight alongside dudes in iron suits and the Not-So-Jolly Green Giant. They’re people that we can identify with – who wouldn’t react like Darcy when a giant alien ship rolls up on London out of thin air? I’m pretty sure I’d say a lot worse than “holy shit!”. Clark Gregg even said something about this when he was on the Nerdist podcast a couple weeks ago and talking about Coulson. I think that it’s something that sets the MCU movies apart from other comic book films and makes them more personal and realistic.
      Side note, I would start watching AoS again if Darcy was brought in. She already has SHIELD’s number, dare I say Junior Agent Lewis?

  • Amanda

    I’m glad I’m not the only one who felt like Frigga’s death was bordering on fridging. Once I got home and dried my eyes, that’s what was going around my head. I agree that at least when she went down, she went fighting and messed up Malekith’s face in the process.
    And if they can’t give us a feature-length Sif and the Warriors Three movie, we should at least get a mini like Agent Carter or the one with Coulson with that long name (Something Something New Mexico, you’d think I’d know it). C’mon Feige, we want more ladies and we are willing to throw money at it. Don’t be an idiot.

    • You know… it really was fridging. It just removed the “helpless woman” part of fridging. She died because they needed a reason for Loki and Thor to work together, and the only thing that could bring them together was their mother’s death. From a storytelling standpoint, I can understand it. But it still comes down to Frigga dying to provoke an emotional reaction in her sons.

      I’m just glad that she did fight before she was killed, because seriously, if she’d just been found dead or something, I would have torn the theater down.

      • Amanda

        Yeah, I think some angry Marvel fangirls would have called for heads on spikes.

  • rosie1843

    Although I liked the second “THOR” more, I still enjoyed the first one. And I didn’t have a problem with Jane Foster in that film. I certainly didn’t have a problem with her in this second film, as well.

    Let’s face it. The real problem is that Marvel has not made a film with a female lead since 2005’s “ELEKTRA”. And they treated it like a B-flick.

    The biggest problem is that a female character isn’t considered strong, unless she possesses traits considered “normal” for male characters – action characters or scientists. Any woman with traits viewed in the “typical female sphere” is considered weak. Even with feminists, a strong woman character must be one who is either “kick-ass” or a brainiac. A second-rate man. As a woman, I find that insulting.

    • I think that generalizing what feminists want out of those characters is insulting. As you can see from this post, we appreciate women with all kinds of strengths, and we’re a bunch of feminists. I think that Hollywood thinks women want Strong Female Characters who are basically men with breasts, and I dislike that, but I’ve seen more and more feminist critique just asking for more well-rounded women, particularly in genres like superhero movies.

  • Penelope Schwartz

    Not a Jane fan at all. I don’t even get why Thor would choose her over Sif. Jane was barely even memorable in the first film and it made no sense that he would pine over her. It has nothing do with strength etc. Jane annoyed the heck out of me. Maybe it’s Natalie Portman. I’m not a big fan. But, I just couldn’t get into them and really didn’t see much chemistry. Even Thor is sometimes a big bore. I found myself more drawn to watching Loki.